Question:
stupid TV license guy?
*Minimomo*
2010-03-26 10:16:32 UTC
here is the story. we got a registered letter informing us that we are being taken to court because we don't have a TV license. the thing is, we don't have a telly and haven't had one since february2009. we use two laptops and a desktop computer to watch online TV. none of the computers actually have a tv card and we can only watch free programmes because of the broadband connection. when we called the TV license guy to tell him this, he claimed that we have a telly and that he was in our house and saw it, which is not true. what can we do now, it's our word against his when it goes to court. oh, we already checked out whether or not you need a licence if you watch programmes thru a computer and as long as the computer itself is not able to receive terrestrial television by itself, ie. without a internet connection, then you don't need one. what would be the best approach to this?
Nine answers:
JL
2010-03-26 11:07:08 UTC
Keep calling the TV licence people and demanding to speak to a supervisor, get addresses for different departments and send them all angry letters. When I've had trouble with people like my internet company, I've found that it's usually one person who's an idiot or is having a bad day, and if you ignore what they think and talk to someone else, it might get resolved.



It's obviously this guy who is in the wrong - as you say, you don't need a TV licence to watch things like 4od or BBC iplayer - and unless he has photographic evidence of a TV in your home he doesn't have any argument whatsoever. Also, you are allowed to have a TV set, as long as you are not receiving television - I had one that I only used for watching DVDs, they came round to check and it was fine.



I know it's not ideal to go to court as it will be a massive faff for you and you haven't done anything wrong, so try and speak to a more senior person at the company, but if it does for whatever reason get to court, at least stay calm in the knowledge that they have nothing against you.
TV guy
2010-03-26 10:29:22 UTC
You don't need a license only if you don't watch "Live". If you watch live TV even through the Internet, you need one.



Many TV channels are now available to watch over the internet. If you’re watching programmes on a computer or laptop as they're being shown on TV, then you need a TV Licence. However, you don’t need to be covered by a licence if you’re only using ‘on-demand’ services to watch programmes after they have been shown on TV. So, you need a licence to watch any channel live online, but you wouldn’t need one to use BBC iPlayer to catch up on an episode of a programme you missed, for example.



Let him take you to court and see how he can prove that he entered you home without permission and that you have a TV.
?
2010-03-26 10:36:36 UTC
Before you go to court I would suggest that you request his records, chances are he has blemishes on his record that could help substaniate your claim, in addition, try to find out the DAY he claims to have seen the tv, he would have had to have filed paperwork and then you can go about verifying his and your whereabouts.
trevor l
2010-03-26 13:43:21 UTC
If it is correct that you only need a licence to watch live TV then you will have to prove that your computer cannot receive live TV. If you can't prove that then in my opinion you wouldn't stand a chance in court.



I suggest a chat with your local Citizen's Advice Bureau would be worthwhile. They have access to the relevant statutes etc which define the law, and may even be able to refer to case law precedents.
anonymous
2010-03-26 10:39:48 UTC
If you read the print on the TV licence,it says it is a licence to receive live tv pictures.It does not say from where , or,what you are viewing them on, sooo,they may ,i say may, be able to draw up a good case,after all they have had many years of practice.I would be very carefull if it was me.
?
2010-03-26 11:51:18 UTC
This TV Licencing nonsense is nothing more than a con, and its about time the people woke up and realised just what is going on here. At first it was a reasonable request to pay a Licence Fee to cover the cost of BBC services, which at the time was an expensive operation requiring a great amount of power for transmissions. Then as technology advanced these costs were reduced by the use of computerised equipment, which actually increased the bandwidth using less power with more sophisticated receiving equipment.



However, as a result of this new technology it became easier for Independent companies like the ITV to broadcast on different frequencies, which as we all know are not funded by the Licence Fees but depend on the sale of advertising time. This then led to the development of Sky TV using a completely different Satellite signal, allowing them to broadcast world wide TV stations that have become more popular than standard UK TV. Now we have Internet and Mobile Phone TV, which again uses completely different signals to broadcast different TV stations world wide to equipment that have No TV Receiving Tuner in the general sense of original BBC terms.



So for all intended purposes the TV Licensing Fee is a Monopoly of the TV market, similar to the way Bill Gates Monopolised the market with Internet Explorer supplied with MS operating systems.

The TV Licencing continuously extend their definition of receiving equipment to maintain control of the market, and go as far to Assume that Every Household in the UK MUST have a TV set spending thousands of pounds sending out threatening letters and employing incompetent investigators.



The following is from the Wikipedia source link below:



The principal means of funding the BBC is through the television licence, costing £145.50 per year per household (as of April 2010).



Such a licence is required to receive broadcast television within the UK, however no licence is required to own a television used for other means, or for sound only radio sets (though a separate licence for these was also required for non-TV households until 1971).



The cost of a television licence is set by the government and enforced by the criminal law.



A discount is available for households with only black-and-white television sets.



A small discount is also offered to registered blind.



The revenue is collected privately and is paid into the central government Consolidated Fund, a process defined in the Communications Act 2003. This TV Licensing collection is currently carried out by Capita, an outside agency. Funds are then allocated by the Department of Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) and the Treasury and approved by Parliament via legislation. Additional revenues are paid by the Department for Work and Pensions to compensate for subsidised licences for eligible over-75 year olds.



Income from commercial enterprises and from overseas sales of its catalogue of programmes has substantially increased over recent years,[29] with BBC Worldwide contributing some £145 million to the BBC's core public service business.



According to the BBC's 2008–2009 Annual Report,[30] its income can be broken down as follows:



£3,493.8 million in licence fees collected from householders;

£775.9 million from BBC Commercial Businesses;

£294.6 million from government grants;

£41.1 million from other income, such as providing content to overseas broadcasters and concert ticket sales;



The licence fee has, however, attracted criticism. It has been argued that in an age of multi stream, multi-channel availability, an obligation to pay a licence fee is no longer appropriate. The BBC's use of private sector company Capita Group to send letters to premises not paying the licence fee has been criticised, especially as there have been cases where such letters have been sent to premises which are up to date with their payments, or do not require a TV licence.[31] The BBC uses an advertising campaign to inform customers of the requirement to pay the licence fee. These letters and adverts have been criticised by Conservative MPs Boris Johnson and Ann Widdecombe, for having a threatening nature and language used to scare evaders into paying.[32][33] Audio clips and television broadcasts are used to inform listeners of the BBC's comprehensive database.[34] There are a number of pressure groups campaigning on the issue of the licence fee.[35]



I personally do not have a TV at home because I refuse to pay into this Monopoly, although I do watch some free TV episodes on the Internet that does not require any software to be installed and therefore cannot get Live TV. This I think is the key factor invovled with Internet TV, which requires some software installed (which you have to pay for) in order to watch Live Shows.



Well, I think I got a bit carried away with my answer...........................
anonymous
2010-03-26 10:22:37 UTC
Let them take youto court if what you say is true. You can then make them look a little silly, case thrown out, sue for malicious prosecution.
anonymous
2010-03-26 10:19:27 UTC
lol they have seen you watch tv on your PC so you doo need a licence lmao



Pay up now
anonymous
2010-03-26 10:21:22 UTC
yeah think your busted

you have devises that can receive tv stuff and its also for radio so................ looks like your gonna loose this one.


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